Bonversations | Ep #48 | Hando [2] (6-Jun-2024)

Do the content creators who got involved in the ‘Flat Earth’
phenomenon circa 2015 look back with any regret?

Why is there so much more interest in conspiratard content
(e.g. ‘ancient aliens’) than in evidence-based material?

Is it healthy to hold on to grudges and misgivings
about what happened during the corona madness?


Bonversations

Episode #48 – Hando from Estonia [2]

Recorded and published: 29-May-2024

Part 1


Part 2

Members can find all Part  2 / aftershow / second hours HERE.

The second part of this call is another hour, and includes discussion about:

* The notion (popular in the ACT realm) that people like Elon Musk are just ‘characters’ played by ‘actors’

* What really happened to the towers on 9/11? (and related topics e.g. fakeologist, September Clues, etc)

* Why do ‘awake’ people tend to claim that they are happier now than before they ‘woke up’?

* Is our reality as ‘objective’ (as many people, including JLB) seem to want to believe?

* If a society is aborting a large proportion of its babies in the womb, what might be the consequences?

…and much more.

If you have any interest in these kinds of topics, I think you’ll enjoy the discussion.

Get instant access to Part 2 of this call (and dozens of other Bonversations) by joining now.

There is also a bonus Part 3, which includes some soundboard hijinks, and discussion about memories and dreams.

Treat yourself to the best interview-based content available in this corner of the internet 👍


Hando’s links

Website – here.

Documentary – here.


Other links

Hando’s first appearance on Bonversations – here.

JLB’s recent 20-hour series exploring the ‘sync’ phenomenon – here.

The tweet JLB referred to during the call – here.


Production notes. Bonversations Ep #48. Recorded 6-Jun-2024, published 10-Jun-2024.

31 thoughts on “Bonversations | Ep #48 | Hando [2] (6-Jun-2024)

  • June 10, 2024 at 5:10 pm
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    Elon is the pope of Mars and DEFINITELY an actor.

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    • June 10, 2024 at 6:00 pm
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      Can you elaborate on this? An ‘actor’ in what way?

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  • June 10, 2024 at 6:30 pm
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    Why is there so much more interest in conspiratard content than in evidence-based material?

    Because conspiratards (like Normies, but on their own supposed more “woke” level) are also engaged in rationalization of strongly felt emotions (based on previous emotional investments) and not reasoning or actual thinking. On each level of “woke” there are self-made gatekeepers of their own useful egos and the collective reputation of their online group or herd of “truth seeking” retards. The old triggers are simply replaced by new ones and whenever any new information comes in cognitive dissonance is triggered through strong emotion and no reasoning process takes place but an automatic rationalization process instead. In fact, the better reasoned your argument, the stronger the cognitive dissonance is likely to be and the more irrational and ridiculous the rationalizations that will follow.

    When Cognitive Dissonance happens:
    The emotion comes first and then the thoughts are manufactured to support the emotion. It’s not that they have a thought that makes them angry, it’s a subconscious reflex and then they develop their own internal narrative that supports the emotion generated by (the already implanted and automatic) reflex triggers, the decades of brainwashing and all the emotional investments and confidence obtained through massive media lies and con-jobs. The false trust of an abusive parent-child relationship between mass-media and consumer suddenly discovered and immediately repressed and not even considered due to the strong emotion generated.

    In other words there is no process of reasoning happening but a process of rationalization by any means of an already felt strong emotional reaction.

    Farce Value explains (with some help and a great question later asked from John Le Bon) in a recent Fakeologist Audiochat:

    https://files.catbox.moe/4oeph6.mp3

    https://fakeologist.com/blog/

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  • June 10, 2024 at 9:27 pm
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    i just listened to bonus part 3. will likely listen to the other parts in the coming days, but about to doze off into a nap, so quickly

    -re: objective reality, wish there was some more back + forth on the ‘things fall and can’t walk through a wall’ component – which doesn’t really accord with the supra/super natural elements oft discussed here – from synch to scientism skep

    – i do believe my ‘life / being’ existed prior to 911, even though ‘awakening’ to said event radically altered my perception of the legitimacy of the country I lived in or ‘democracy’ or ‘the system’ or what have you …followed by deeper skepticism of science and the establishment pundits, eventually leading to where i’m at today – which is just as if not more confused, but slightly more at peace with my displacement from the normies. but if i talk with some childhood friends, which i’ve done recently via text and phone, there’ll be references to old teachers, classmates, coaches. their memories are not as multitudinous or detailed – but there’s some semblance of a mutual past, yes.

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    • June 14, 2024 at 3:39 pm
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      re: objective reality, wish there was some more back + forth on the ‘things fall and can’t walk through a wall’ component – which doesn’t really accord with the supra/super natural elements oft discussed here – from synch to scientism skep

      If you honestly believe anything I have ever said about sync or Scientism is somehow related to people walking through walls, then I have failed miserably to communicate my thoughts on these matters.

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  • June 10, 2024 at 9:28 pm
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    JLB and Hando, thank both of you gents for the conversation. It is greatly appreciated! The “Dreamtime” drop at the end was fun, elaboration would be welcomed. I think that experiencing Synchronistic phenomena may be what truly separates some people from others. I was pleased to hear General Maddox reference that he experiences the phenomena as well on the previous Bonversation.

    I wonder what percentage of people actually experience Synchronistic? Maybe less than one percent I reckon. I’ve never actually heard anyone in either private or public life make any mention of it. Its a conversation that I’ve ONLY heard talked about in the ACT realm.

    I’ve heard talk of ghosts, hauntings, curses, government malfeasance, conspiracies, ancient aliens and supernaturalism in general from humanity at large. Nothing at all about synchronicity however. Very interesting….

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    • June 14, 2024 at 3:53 pm
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      Thank you for taking the time to leave this thoughtful comment.

      I wonder what percentage of people actually experience Synchronistic? Maybe less than one percent I reckon. I’ve never actually heard anyone in either private or public life make any mention of it. Its a conversation that I’ve ONLY heard talked about in the ACT realm.

      Now that you mention it, I can’t remember the last time I heard a regular person talking about a personal synchronicty (with or without the nomenclature / understanding) in real life or online. I am sure it has happened at one point or anther but it must surely be rare, because I listen to regular people all the time and would take instant interest in a sync story.

      Perhaps this weekend when I am out with normie acquaintances I will try to find a way to slip a question into conversation along the lines of, ‘have you ever thought to call somebody and then as you thought about it, suddenly they called you?’.

      My guess is that this kind of question will generate affirmative replies, the issue is that this isn’t something they would talk about without prompting, which is significant in and of itself, without even getting into the NPC / mirror / parrot element of the inquiry…

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      • June 14, 2024 at 10:09 pm
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        Waking up to Syncs or anything else probably just means you have simply learned to (lucid) dream better. HV’s theory is that all the media static is meant to “jack our loosh” to prevent this type of energy from flowing out freely in the collective consciousness up in the noosphere, the overall planetery sphere of reason (the highest stage of biospheric development being that of humankind’s rational activities).

        Human Vibration – “We’re Not Here to Wake Up, We’re Here to Become Better Dreamers” https://files.catbox.moe/mjcp2a.mp3

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  • June 11, 2024 at 3:23 pm
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    i’m at the end of part 2… did Gaia move to Spain? haven’t heard him in years, but always thought he lived in Colombia.

    Re: the hole, not sure Hando if you ever got my message regarding your question to me about QofC’s ‘reality breakdown’ – but this would be a perfect exemplar when applied to 9/11. sure it wasn’t the error of smartphones, but why – with all the creative and other agencies in lower Manhattan in possession of equipment, freelance photographers and journalists, tourists, et al…is there such scant independent footage of the 2nd tower specifically, given all the time that had elapsed before the 1st plane purportedly hit, and especially after the north tower came down. and that’s just nearby GZ. hoboken, jersey city, brooklyn, long island city… all have direct line of site to the wtc complex.

    Re: what one wants / prefers to believe… it’s cool to hear there’s been at least some withdrawal from the oft dogmatic confidence in the NDNGH / TPWRTS are benevolent pranksters position. i’ve long thought this is one of the main pillars underpinning the framework, buttressed by clear and present media fakery, but too myopic of a view imo – adorned by horse blinders to block other scenic elements in the fore, middle and background that aren’t so rosy.

    it may not be internally coherent, but it need not be a mutually exclusive event. harley guy could have been hired for a made for tv movie, an occult ritual could have taken place, vicsims could have been manufactured, real people could have died, and sinister characters – who prey on the proles for power and whatever else – just like predation in the natural world – are afoot, all while synchs abound.

    there were real offices with real people working inside them PRIOR to 9/11 regardless of how many other floors may have been empty or cleared out prior to that morning. that is a fact – or at least to as close to ‘objective reality’ as i can put forth.

    regardless of ’93’ and the ground imprint in Shankesville sans vessel, and the silly explanation in the 911 Commission Report, Linda Gronlund was a real person in real life, who was never seen again (to the best of my knowledge), certainly not in her hometown where her mother lived until she passed away. perhaps Linda’s somewhere else on earth realm, with new identity, or outside the continental terrain available to us mixing with dead celebrities – visited once in a while by her sister, actively covering up / lying about the nature of that day and even this place to all of ‘us’ goy.

    i am highly doubtful this is the setup, but in fairness, i can at least entertain the explanation.

    but then you have all types of other people from all different backgrounds. many weren’t alive when the first shovel was dug at the complex – like Kevin Szocik – who I did not know, but knew his ex Lorraine McNeill, as did hundreds of people where I grew up.

    and she was apparently grieving for many years after the fact. I did not know Kevin, but Lorraine was friends with my one of my older sisters when they were in 8th grade… the two Brooklyn twins (Karen is her sister). not best friends no, but they were inside my childhood home like normal teenagers several times. i even went to the local carnival with them one summer night. later in life, they weren’t as close, but Lorraine moved to and became part of the local community. was not anything like the ‘neighbors’ second cousins’ son in law’s long lost relative’ that many in this scene hyperbolically scoff (IPS).

    my high school basketball teammate – and friend to this day – once worked with Lorraine’s sister (Karen) in a physical therapy office – and mentioned how she would tear up when reminiscing about it. unconvincing to the Dave Js perhaps – because of some stupid number in a newspaper article – but Lorraine and her ‘dead’ / ‘gone’ ex is ‘real’ to me.

    one could go on the history of her FB page and see legitimate memorial posts …though i’m sure it’s dissipated over time as time obviously moves on. i’m not on there. but i did look years ago from someone else’s account and that was her, even having been married since, still grieving/ remembering.

    no i do not think she’s a Truman show actress being paid residual checks for such a performance

    so if it was planned out, and nobody died, how to explain the above? i don’t know. i have many other people who claim to have known people inside, which i do not lend credence to, but my father literally taught Linda Gronlund in high school. and anyone can go check out the yearbook for themselves or past newspaper archives from the local paper.

    Dave J in another discord questioned the authenticity of the photos (yes they were photocopies sent to me by the guidance counselors office). but again, anyone can go to the exact location in real life, and look for themselves, which obviously they’l never do, but i’m not going to just ignore these anecdotes in favor of some soothing narrative about that event and others, as though there aren’t evils and evil people in this world.

    that DOES NOT MEAN one doesn’t have a responsibility to live their life. or that feeling like a minion slave to oppressors is not healthy. but even if one chooses to adopt that mindset or use their ‘knowing’ to justify prior victimhood, this still has nothing to do with what is or isn’t true about predators, deceivers, et al.

    there are wild animals that kill humans all the time. there are humans that kill humans. and it’s best to know the terrain to best navigate it.

    to deny this – is to deny ‘objective reality’

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    • June 14, 2024 at 1:02 am
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      With regard to your 9-11 VicSims doubts, I would refer you to the 4 scenarios of how VIC-SIMS or simulated victims are manufactured:

      https://iili.io/d9xj3fR.jpg

      I wrote this many years ago when I was fully immersed in media fakery research. Synergetic67 was my handle at the original David Icke forum, the one that had 300K members before it forever disappeared, along with a thread I had on 9-11 media fakery with over 100K views. Icke himself is certainly a gatekeeper but his forum did allow full free speech at least in the old days.

      I would also refer you to Howard Lutnick’s ridiculous video (that rivals the Abbot & Costello duo antics of Harley Guy & Rick Leventhal in its utter fakeness but has not received a tenth of the publicity among truther channels).

      I have copied here Simon Shack’s original notes https://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=430&start=75 to the Lutnick boo-hoo-hoo 10th-rate acting video which follows:

      While you watch this short interview, please ask yourselves the following questions:

      1: Is this Howard Lutnick a genuine and trustworthy individual? Would you buy a used car from this guy?
      2: Did he truly lose 658 employees in the WTC tower collapses? (i.e. almost 1/4th of the entire reported death-toll of 9/11)
      3: How can anyone still believe that ANYONE died in the WTC tower collapses on September 11, 2001?

      “9/11 Cantor Fitzgerald CEO Howard Lutnick – Billion Dollar Tears”

      https://youtu.be/-z5aW0ovieY

      So your friend could have died for real from another cause and then her real identity used as a 9-11 death or she could also have died for fake, let her identity be used as part of the 9-11 PsyOp, giving it full cr and given a completely different identity and plenty of money to retire with in the affluent area of her choosing.

      And with regard to “wars” and “worries” here are my two cents:

      Tribal wars stop being “wars” as such when the rulers of all the tribes, the people providing the funding for all activities of all tribes, never mind such a massive one as a so-called “war, are the same people. In this scenario, where you have big tribes of many millions of people, all controlled and ruled by the same people, but led to believe that they have “enemies,” all military action, whatever the surface propaganda, becomes a means of suppressing slave-revolts against the rulers and their system of usurocracy by PsyOps and ostracism and every other means and if nothing else works then by whacking them with a good excuse or just having them disappear forever.

      They could have the duped ground level militaries of supposedly opposed countries shoot at each other since soldiers are already expected to be at risk of injury or death by their families but that would be kind of pointless, since both of them are there to, like cops in peacetime, force the revolting and unruly segments of the slaves back into line, to strategically relocate them to prison, their graves or wherever else. Unlike 9-11, Hooky Sand and some event like this, few people are going to sue the military to find out how their “hero” son died in the course of battle – unless they discover “foul play” in the form of their own side having killed them – it’s a war, they’ve seen hundreds of movies about it – you’re supposed to be at high risk of serious injury or whacking.

      And it’s not like, again unlike other PsyOps, that Generals or Colonels or whoever would refuse to participate in the event because “soldiers might be killed.” They are not considered criminals if soldiers are killed in the due course of Battle Royale whereas with 9-11 or Hooky Sandbox, whacking those people for real would certainly make them in their own eyes and the eyes of the public should their crimes be discovered: homicidal psychotics. So people participating in the charade of modern “wars” have a good excuse and ready-made rationalization to whack people should the need arise, whereas in civilian life there is no such excuse. The question then becomes when and where does the need arise? Are all battles in modern wars between military people and revolting slaves?

      I would say yes. But War-Hoaxers say otherwise. They say it’s all just hazardous jobs where people get injured and killed a lot but all by their own side. But where does the danger arise in these “controlled demolition & strategic relocation” activities if not from actual weapons being used against them and why would they need all these fancy weapons in the first place if they’re not using them on anyone and all “war” deaths are simply accidents? My theory is that sure War is a Hoax in the sense that all countries are under the same rule and every territory has already been more-or-less conquered, but slave-revolt suppression is not a hoax. When slaves revolt or show patterns of disobedience military force is used to scare the shit out of them back in line and if they don’t do it and decide to shoot back, then just like in civilian life, they will be terminated.

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    • June 14, 2024 at 3:47 pm
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      did Gaia move to Spain? haven’t heard him in years, but always thought he lived in Colombia.

      No, I misspoke on that bit, thank you for catching that. Gaia is / was in Colombia, not Spain.

      I think my error there may have been due to recently revisiting BESR content and of course Matrix Decode was living in Spain at that time.

      Re: what one wants / prefers to believe… it’s cool to hear there’s been at least some withdrawal from the oft dogmatic confidence in the NDNGH / TPWRTS are benevolent pranksters position.

      You write this like it is a new thing.

      It has been literally years since I was of the hard NDNGH stance re 911.

      Thank you for taking the time to leave a detailed comment.

      Engagement rates have plummeted in this corner of the internet post-corona, but every now and then somebody comes along and reminds you that there are still other people out there who might actually be thinking about what they consume, not just consuming for consumptions’ sake.

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      • June 16, 2024 at 7:15 am
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        “You write this like it is a new thing.It has been literally years since I was of the hard NDNGH stance re 911.”

        you have shifted slightly off a hard NDNGH model, but in more of a circumspect ‘maybe some people did die. accidents happen. someone could have gotten hit by a steel beam. there’s no way we can ever be sure’ — that sort of thing. but ultimately if there were any ‘real deaths’- they were unintentional by those who pulled it off.’

        at least that’s the tenor i’ve subjectively interpreted. and i’ve listened to (and watched) a LOT of your commentary over the years, especially 911 related.

        *what about that event in Australia where you (and / or your family) knew one or more people potentially impacted? that may not move your needle in terms of whether the event was not what was presented, but i think such anecdotal evidence should be included in one’s deciphering, even if it’s not in accord with the ndngh / authoax position.

        in closing, it’s not that i don’t understand and appreciate the arguments. when one sees what clearly looks like paid actors performing for the camera – or cartoons performing impossible feats on a CNN feed …it’s perfectly reasonable to infer the entire event is a shit show, start to finish.

        i just also think it’s easy to get caught in the trap of assuming ‘we’ now know the ‘truth’ because there’s elements that cream fake.

        there could very well be a much deeper deception(s) going on.

        and the ‘show runners’, whether humans here in the 3d or the ‘5d’ aether or something else, have not shown themselves to get the benefit of the doubt.

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  • June 14, 2024 at 2:14 pm
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    Very good chat between you guys. Both experienced at talking in the ethersphere.
    How many were listening when you (JLB) invited comments? Truthfully I mean really listening?

    I wish Hando & co well doing what they do in Estonia.

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    • June 14, 2024 at 3:40 pm
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      How many were listening when you (JLB) invited comments? Truthfully I mean really listening

      My guess is between 5 – 10. This may be optimistic, though.

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  • June 14, 2024 at 4:00 pm
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    I loved this Bonversation! I love the woowoo stuff so… I guess I’m a little biased. Also, you should definitely call yourself a Truth Artist. Actually, you are one of the artist who really inspires me with my art so, yeah! You are definitely an artist !

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  • June 16, 2024 at 2:51 am
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    The goal of a Disinformation campaign is creating enough doubt and confusion so that everything becomes believable and nothing clearly knowable. When confusion reigns there is maximum drain of energy and lots of unknown variables and therefore lots of fear, whether or not the subject wants to admit it or not. Confusion, doubt and unknown variables always create more fear, stress and an energy drain leading to easier control.

    All the Disnfo campaign has to do is put some wrong ideas and doubt out there in areas where most “truthers” have not researched enough and wait for the “truther” fish to bite on the bait of doubt. Once they do and start doubting themselves again, then they spread the disinformation on their own to others. For example: not knowing that Judy Wood based her Directed Energy Weapons theory on fake imagery, they start believing that theory. Or not knowing that all images of 9-11 were faked, they start saying nonsense like fake planes were inserted into “live” feeds such as Human Vibration did on Not Tin Foil Hat.

    The goal of the truth seeker or real info spreader is the exact opposite of that: Making as many things as clearly knowable as possible and therefore reducing doubt and confusion to a minimum. The more clearly known variables – the less fear and the further away the levers of control – therefore the most energy retained.

    The ultimate prize in the game of truth, which is basically the game of life itself is energy. “Money” is therefore only useful if it helps conserve that energy for you.

    https://tinyurl.com/34x2t7xz

    Energy is always a long term project. When you spend money on junk food and liquor you gain some superficial immediate satisfaction while losing long term energy in increments. Then one day you have a heart-attack or a stroke and wonder what happened. Well, let’s see – you ate approximately 10,000 plates of garbage & drank 10,000 bottles of liquor over the course of 20 years, so what did you expect? How well will your car engine run if you put the dirtiest motor oil in it and never service it? Well, the human bio-organism is a million times more sensitive and delicate than a goddamn piece-of-shit automobile and the only way to “service” it is to eat healthy food for at least as long as you ate dog-shit before (lol) or at least twice as much healthy UNCOOKED / undamaged animal foods for half as long.

    Remember this – your energy is in two things: what you put in your body and where you direct your attention. You never eat nothing – you either put something in your mouth or you eat yourself. This is where the “high” from fasting comes from. You’re eating raw animal flesh and saturated fat – your own.

    Similarly you’re always consuming information, you cannot stop doing this – so “fasting” on information will only cause self-consumption of previously absorbed stuff, usually ten thousand varieties of trivial junk. It is always better to expose to yourself to the healthiest (raw and uncooked) information you possibly can all the time while avoiding the junk. This junk certainly does not end at the MSM state, almost all “truth” sites have some sort of disinformation turd in their punchbowls often of their own making. In the same way that they might know what’s healthy for them but refuse to eat it, they know what’s true and therefore good for their mental health but refuse to accept it for similar reasons.

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  • June 16, 2024 at 6:55 am
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    – i do not have vicsim doubts. i spent a lot of time on cluesforum.info back in the day as well cross referencing personally with msm pages, exif data, et al what i can say unequivocally is that not all of those names corresponding with people irl were made up.

    – i’m also familiar with Lutnick and his alligator tears. however, a good friend at the time had interviewed at Cantor INSIDE the WTC. again, i cannot speak to the morning of, but Cantor Fitz did have offices in the WTC. and another friend of mine from India – son of a fairly well to do bottling plant family amongst other businesses – was interning at Lehman IN THE TOWERS. i met him to eat at the Cosi sandwich shop in the lobby on more than one occasion.

    – “so your friend could have died for real from another cause and then her real identity used as a 9-11 death or she could also have died for fake, let her identity be used as part of the 9-11 PsyOp, giving it full cr and given a completely different identity and plenty of money to retire with in the affluent area of her choosing”

    she and he were not my friend, but yes these things COULD have happened. and she COULD also have died. if this event was indeed purposely planned from before they broke ground at the complex, Kevin Szocik hadn’t been born yet. and as far as I know – asking many different locals back in my 911 truth is essential days – albeit delicately not to ruffle feathers – but he had no kinship with the Gronlund family – or Linda. so my point is that we’re getting into deep speculative territory about what is going on / what happened. i’m obviously limited, but i’m not going to pretend these two people were vicsims just because it’s a soothing narrative. can i supply bone fragments? of course not. could they be truman show-esque lifetime larpers / actors? maybe…though I doubt it.

    and if i live to be a hundred i’ll never understand how some of the best and brightest in this scene, seem to know the folks who run the show are deeply deceitful, macabre, et al… yet just dismiss the notion that in all this planning, casualties and deaths were excluded from the equation, cus they’re prima facie benevolent.

    “slave-revolt suppression is not a hoax. ”
    “d if they don’t do it and decide to shoot back, then just like in civilian life, they will be terminated”

    so the ‘rulers’ are ready, willing and able to ‘execute’ on the above, but unwilling to harm anyone in any of the hoaxes?

    Why? because normies will form a coalition? investigate / sue the government?

    seriously?

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    • June 18, 2024 at 9:08 am
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      It’s always an entirely pragmatic decision and never a moral or benevolent one. There’s no such thing as a benevolent bloodsucker / usurer and that’s the entire banking system of the world – a usurocracy as Ezra Pound called it. Killing people in PsyOps is entirely unnecessary because it makes them much harder to pull off, both in terms of problems with the families of actual dead people and who they can get to participate in the PsyOp and how many PsyOps they can pull off (they need to churn out lots of them all the time as we’ve seen over the years – hundreds of them). There are probably millions of people who don’t mind bullshitting the world for a big paycheck, maybe even entire nations of con-artists, but probably only a few thousand or less straight-up psychotic homicidal maniacs.

      On the other hand they need people to die at a certain age before they get too wise to the game and pass this on to the next generation, hence the slow-kill through poisonous foods, drugs and other substances

      You either have a nurturing father figure or an abusive one. A usurer is an extremely abusive “father-figure” or ruler. The usurer bleeds you dry your whole life, steals your energy. There is nothing benevolent about it. Would you rather get raped once physically and be done with it or get raped of your energy (get your loosh jacked) for your whole life, for every day of your life? Well, non-stop financial rape is the condition of the majority of humans. Benevolent leadership does not even come into it until usury exits the picture. Who in history has ever made usury or non-stop energy-rape exit the picture? The Germans under Hitler? Imperial Japan? Some say the Andrew Jackson era of the USA maybe?

      Might makes right only when rights increase might, the might and well-being of the leader, not yours, yours is a by-product of his. All groups of people automatically form hierarchies, a family itself is a hierarchy, a small government – and this is why “natural anarchy” outside of the massive advantage of giving one group the power to legally counterfeit energy, to steal your energy without having to give equivalent value in energy in return, always resolves itself into a large tribe. The strongest group in the tribe sets the rules, the rest either follow or get ostracized. You can technically not kick somebody else’s ass, not initiate violence against them and still have tons of leverage against them through the ostracism of the herd. In the best of all possible worlds: a so-called voluntary society, you are free to live outside the group you don’t agree with as a hermit or with those of a similar mindset as yourself. But as soon as you have a new group, there will form yet another hierarchy. Then you become the leader / (hopefully-nurturing rather than abusive) father figure of your own competing group. But wanting to nurture other humans into the best they can be and being able to do it are entirely different things.

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  • June 19, 2024 at 11:32 am
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    >>Killing people in PsyOps is entirely unnecessary because it makes them much harder to pull off, both in terms of problems with the families of actual dead people and who they can get to participate in the PsyOp and how many PsyOps they can pull off <>(they need to churn out lots of them all the time as we’ve seen over the years – hundreds of them).
    thousands, across the world, which lends credence to the unpopular, but reasonable position some are putting forth that it’s not just a bunch of Bavarian blokes in a smoke filled roo, planning out all these events – with fine detail from the numbers to the synchs to the on and off script elements.

    tangentially, my main issue with a hard NPC theory is that the programming must be incessant, ubiquitous, 24/7 a day. if humans were so bot like and thoughtless and easy to control, why does it take so much effort and resources and deception for them to do so.

    >>>There are probably millions of people who don’t mind bullshitting the world for a big paycheck, maybe even entire nations of con-artists, but probably only a few thousand or less straight-up psychotic homicidal maniacs.<<>You either have a nurturing father figure or an abusive one<>The usurer bleeds you dry your whole life, steals your energy. There is nothing benevolent about it. Would you rather get raped once physically and be done with it or get raped of your energy (get your loosh jacked) for your whole life, for every day of your life? Well, non-stop financial rape is the condition of the majority of humans. Benevolent leadership does not even come into it until usury exits the picture. Who in history has ever made usury or non-stop energy-rape exit the picture? The Germans under Hitler? Imperial Japan? Some say the Andrew Jackson era of the USA maybe?<<

    ok but this has little to do with my points about unpacking the people who existed in real life, subsequent disappearances, and the inferences therefrom.

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  • June 19, 2024 at 11:36 am
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    i tried copying and pasting from discord but half of my reply got deleted. ill try again here after stripping html:

    >>Killing people in PsyOps is entirely unnecessary because it makes them much harder to pull off, both in terms of problems with the families of actual dead people and who they can get to participate in the PsyOp and how many PsyOps they can pull off <>(they need to churn out lots of them all the time as we’ve seen over the years – hundreds of them).
    thousands, across the world, which lends credence to the unpopular, but reasonable position some are putting forth that it’s not just a bunch of Bavarian blokes in a smoke filled roo, planning out all these events – with fine detail from the numbers to the synchs to the on and off script elements.

    tangentially, my main issue with a hard NPC theory is that the programming must be incessant, ubiquitous, 24/7 a day. if humans were so bot like and thoughtless and easy to control, why does it take so much effort and resources and deception for them to do so.

    >>>There are probably millions of people who don’t mind bullshitting the world for a big paycheck, maybe even entire nations of con-artists, but probably only a few thousand or less straight-up psychotic homicidal maniacs.<<>You either have a nurturing father figure or an abusive one<>The usurer bleeds you dry your whole life, steals your energy. There is nothing benevolent about it. Would you rather get raped once physically and be done with it or get raped of your energy (get your loosh jacked) for your whole life, for every day of your life? Well, non-stop financial rape is the condition of the majority of humans. Benevolent leadership does not even come into it until usury exits the picture. Who in history has ever made usury or non-stop energy-rape exit the picture? The Germans under Hitler? Imperial Japan? Some say the Andrew Jackson era of the USA maybe?<<

    ok but this has little to do with my points about unpacking the people who existed in real life, subsequent disappearances, and the inferences therefrom.

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    • June 19, 2024 at 10:26 pm
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      You are correct in your first point Dante. Just the fact that there needs to be massive censorship online on every last major platform, relegating any real truth-seeking to the margins, just that alone already proves the “most-humans-are-NPC’s-we-few-are-the-chosen-somehow” theory wrong, since if all these people were really such NPC’s then exposure to the truth would not matter, insane levels of censorship where one wrong word can get your livestream cancelled in real time would not be necessary, since NPC’s would be unable to turn into thinking creatures anyway.

      Subsequent disappearances? What’s so hard about giving someone an entirely new identity and a bank account full of funny money? Faking a death and getting a new identity is only hard for you and me but it’s easy stuff for the intelligence agencies with unlimited resources and every contact and influence they need everywhere in the world and maybe even beyond this known world and onto hidden and exclusive areas.

      Why would a Kobe Bryant agree to fake his death if not for a much better result somewhere else than the king’s ransom and worldwide fame he had here? Why would O.J. Simpson agree to engage in that whole made-for-TV charade if it made his entire life here as a guy who brutally killed two people and got away with a living hell, a life where he would have to isolate himself completely from the general public who were convinced by a TV charade that they somehow “knew the truth”?

      Maybe they gave O.J. an immortality pill that extends his lifespan by 200 years in those other regions? Why else would he agree to do all that acting? All the money in the world is not much comfort when the whole world is convinced to spit in your face. And remember before that media double-murderer, he was almost universally well-liked by most people, second only to Bill Cosby among black celebrities. Well, they did even worse to Cosby didn’t they? Not double-murder but complete public humiliation. Was the Cosby charade real and only the O.J. one fake? Were both real? That would be a laughable suggestion at this point.

      Or is it more likely both were pre-planned media events? And therefore for pre-planned media humiliations of a certain character to exist – there has to be an incentive for the real life living version of that character – and this can only be change of identity and a life insulated from the humiliation of the character itself. They could also, of course, insulate them and then bring them back for cameo performances every now and then, which would be harder to do with plastic surgery but easy enough with a life-like mask. Also no average people will believe any of this possible and will call anyone trying to even suggest things like the above “insane conspiracy theorists” so that’s another factor making them fairly easy to pull off.

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  • June 19, 2024 at 12:18 pm
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    the little arrows i used are likely the issue:

    (Killing people in PsyOps is entirely unnecessary because it makes them much harder to pull off, both in terms of problems with the families of actual dead people and who they can get to participate in the PsyOp and how many PsyOps they can pull off)

    i’ve been hearing this trope in the truth scene for over a decade now. what problems with the families? i’m rarely original, but i’ve been on this for quite some time…maybe i’ll be the first to coin #problemswiththefamiliesfallacy as I did the #geogreaphicproximityfallacy

    i now know fairly well someone whose own family member came real close to dying and now suffers from Guillain Barre Syndrome – which beyond a reasonable doubt was attributed to the jibbies. he has since stated how ‘evil’ it was…and regrets his own jibby, saying how he ‘had’ to get the jibby for travel purposes (obvious nonsense but whatever). he has resources. is he suing anyone? no. he and all others in her immediate sphere went right back to the white coats for the solution…and she’s managing as best she can. why rock the boat? likely too risky for he and his family.

    it’s been two decades now, certainly one from where information debunking central elements of the official story has been fairly WIDESPREAD wrt to ‘911 truth’ — uproar? revolt? internal coups? if anyone in MY family actually died on account of that – or another related event – who would be attacked? ME for questioning the government’s narrative.

    (they need to churn out lots of them all the time as we’ve seen over the years – hundreds of them).

    thousands, across the world, which lends credence to the unpopular, but reasonable position some are putting forth that it’s not just a bunch of Bavarian blokes in a smoke filled roo, planning out all these events – with fine detail from the numbers to the synchs to the on and off script elements.

    tangentially, my main issue with a hard NPC theory is that the programming must be incessant, ubiquitous, 24/7 a day. if humans were so bot like and thoughtless and easy to control, why does it take so much effort and resources and deception for them to do so.

    (There are probably millions of people who don’t mind bullshitting the world for a big paycheck, maybe even entire nations of con-artists, but probably only a few thousand or less straight-up psychotic homicidal maniacs)

    ok, but you don’t personally know anyone who is covering up 911. i certainly don’t. or at least i’m unaware of any – other than normies who just parrot / defend the narrative. nor do i think anyone on this or other platforms has friends or family members – or even acquaintances who are walking around ‘ in the know’ .
    notwithstanding the world population hoax, let’s grand the US 333 million. remove all those who were born after the event and all those who’ve become citizens after the fact..etc.. just a lot of assumptions built into the ‘con-artists’ covering up major hoaxes are living amongst us theory.

    (You either have a nurturing father figure or an abusive one)

    i’d argue mine was both.

    (The usurer bleeds you dry your whole life, steals your energy. There is nothing benevolent about it. Would you rather get raped once physically and be done with it or get raped of your energy (get your loosh jacked) for your whole life, for every day of your life? Well, non-stop financial rape is the condition of the majority of humans. Benevolent leadership does not even come into it until usury exits the picture. Who in history has ever made usury or non-stop energy-rape exit the picture? The Germans under Hitler? Imperial Japan? Some say the Andrew Jackson era of the USA maybe?)

    ok but this has little to do with my points about unpacking the people who existed in real life, subsequent disappearances, and the inferences therefrom.

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    • June 19, 2024 at 11:36 pm
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      Yes but you said that people who claim nobody dies in PsyOps have a “benevolent” idea of elites. I certainly don’t and never have. And let’s face it not many of us consider the average normie a “benevolent” creature either or we’d be hanging around them a lot more than we do. Also, being a “truther” involves seeing the truth about yourself which can be one of the hardest things ever, since you will almost certainly have no choice but to hate yourself or certain aspects of yourself for a while before you can accept your “shadow” and darker aspects as part of the whole. This will cause suffering, self-doubt, and will require endurance, and yet it is only the first hurdle of the true warrior. It is only when you can accept yourself, warts and all, shadow integrated, the absurd outside world integrated and expected, that you begin to ascend to the level of “true” warrior. Meanwhile loneliness becomes a way of life on the narrow path that will not walk itself as DaveJ used to say. And the worst part of it is utter loneliness in a crowd. Even if you live with others, you will often be lonely because you can’t share your ideas with them.

      https://iili.io/Jjnj9I4.jpg

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFXh9NcnIE

      JLB had a couple of years right before the scamdemic where he was presenting these ideas of the possibility of benevolent elites who ware simply “pranskters” which I never agreed with for one second. They are not “pranksters,” they are fraudsters on the most massive scale possible and only a very naive or positivity-brainwashed person would believe or want to believe that “fraud” (indirect force) on a scale like that is “not a big deal” and not harmful because the immediate results are not blood-&-guts. Generally positive characters like Abirato and JLB want to believe this since it fits their characters – unfortunately it’s not true. And with JLB, when his cynicism started setting in, it weirdly turned into Stockholm Syndrome for a while, when not wanting to blame the elites, he started identifying with them and putting all the blame on the NPC’s or “creatures incapable of change. ” And furthermore, of course, fraud being legally sanctioned in no way makes it morally acceptable or not harmful in its results. Harm is mental and spiritual first before it becomes physical. Fraud is a time-released physical harm down the road. The harmful results in every area of life add up in increments for a far more devastating negative end-result, but between the frauds and the terrible long term consequences of the frauds there is a long gap that protects the con-artists.

      Therefore being “positive” all the time is another false path. Like Jung said you have to always leave room for the shadow to be integrated. or else you’ll never be balanced and whole in yourself and an unbalanced person is unable to carry the burden of “truth.” Like Silas said in a recent audio with Armunn Righ & Farce Value:

      “Well the problem is as well that no one wants to hear anything hateful or negative. You end up getting society that has insulated itself from any reform, and it’s in dire need of reform. It’s in dire need of restructuring and it won’t get it because it can’t look into the matter, because like Dorian Gray it doesn’t want to see its own portrait, doesn’t want to face the shadow, doesn’t want to face the dire complexion since it last looked at that portrait. Because you don’t want any negativity you’re not going to get anything that’s positive. We’re just going to pretend that the negativity that’s accruing from our inability to acknowledge the negativity is not there. It’s crazy, it’s so absurd to describe it, but yeah.”

      https://odysee.com/@armunnrigh:e/Exit-through-the-gift-shop-ep-36-Shadowplay!-13-06-2024-:4

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  • June 20, 2024 at 4:28 am
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    i can imagine quite a bit. perhaps a phone call at some point in the future would yield a fruitful discussion on these possibilities.

    re: OJ, he clearly didn’t go off into sunset on some dead celebrity island as many suggest others celebs (like Kobe) did and are living it up elsewhere on earth realm. again, all speculation.

    i actually have some inside info on one of the alleged victims of the Cosby case. an addict, a sex worker, was caught up with rappers and pimps.. potentially joined the lawsuit against Mr. Huxtable for the money. idk. but she got paid (likely blew it all) and i am very confident her and her immediate family are not part of some acting troupe. her mother is a devout bible believing woman from San Diego. i was living close to her here for 2 years during the pandemic, here in a little mountain city in mexico. she’s since moved back to the States, but we still keep in touch from time to time. i subletted from her for a while after my breakup and helped her liquidate the apartment she was renting after she was able to procure a little townhouse in Oregon with help from her father. she (the mother of Chloe) shared many days / evenings together along with other ‘covid skeptics’ during the lockdowns, cooked dinners a lot. they are both from San Diego. but she for sure was frequently distraught / stressed at the fate of her ‘caught up in the street life’ daughter. and i didn’t even hear about the cosby thing until long after knowing her. the other two daughters are perfectly normal. pretty wild stuff. again, i do not know chloe, but i know with high degrees of confidence about her real struggles in the streets (self inflicted for sure) and i know her mom is not ‘in on it’.

    https://people.com/crime/chloe-goins-bill-cosby-arrest-drugs-sexial-assault/

    yes the SS is strong in some, but i’ll refrain from getting into that here.

    to this quote you posted:

    “because like Dorian Gray it doesn’t want to see its own portrait, doesn’t want to face the shadow, doesn’t want to face the dire complexion since it last looked at that portrait. ”

    i’d be interested in hearing Silas’ take on that book title. because as silly as it sounds, i vividly recall The Portrait of Dorian Gray being on a summer reading list for my AP English class the following year. as do many others. and last year, while accompanying someone on a real estate showing, i randomly stumbled upon a Mexican version of a compendium of WIlde’s work – where inside the translation was Portrait. something’s clearly wrong with the picture : )

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  • June 20, 2024 at 6:16 am
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    i re-read the above and this didn’t come out right:
    “potentially joined the lawsuit against Mr. Huxtable for the money. idk.”

    she did join the lawsuit. and received funds.

    when i wrote ‘idk’…what i meant is that perhaps she was only escorting, and had an encounter with Mr. Huxtable, and subsequently made up a story to get in on the action.

    but i’m confident it wasn’t some pre-planned thing where she had advanced knowing of what was going down.

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    • June 20, 2024 at 9:29 pm
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      She got money because Cosby supposedly drugged her and raped her at the Playboy mansion, an upper class whorehouse in everything but name and direct transactions where good looking women are all over the place and literally throwing themselves at celebrities. As if a celebrity of Cosby’s status would have a hard time scoring with a hooker! lol Why drug her when you can just pay her bill? Paying a thousand dollars for Cosby would have been like you and me putting 25 cents in a gumball machine.

      That whole Cosby story is beyond absurd, a joke on the public, a humiliation and bringing down of the morale of the entire U.S. black population through their formerly most upstanding celebrity role model. But we have to remember: show trials are still actual events – therefore many people may actually get paid off with funny money provided by the organizers of the show trails. That doesn’t mean their story was true or “justice” or “injustice” was served in an actual real unbiased court trial.

      “Real people” as in so-called non-thespians who don’t have an imdb page getting paid in a show trial is no different than an amateur doing a part in a Hollywood movie and getting paid for it. Or a child who believes the movie set is real life. They’re still acting whether or not they know they’re acting. Except the movie set is an ongoing reality show in “real life” pretending to be actual reality, pretending to be an actual trial. “Actual reality” itself is often nothing much more than a phony consensus reality or collective amateur acting session, so blurring the lines by filming a previously set-up documentary and pretending its real is no big feat when you have unlimited resources and complete control of media.

      In addition, even if it is an actual trial, it would be an absurd trial, a ridiculous miscarriage of justice to take the word of women from 20 years before about who drugged or didn’t drug them, raped or didn’t rape them. Are you kidding? That’s an absurdity in itself. Taking only the word of some woman even in a recent case is just witness testimony or the most unreliable testimony in the world and proves nothing. It isn’t physical proof of anything. How in the hell can anybody prove that someone drugged them 20 years ago? lol So even if Cosby was raked over the coals for real and humiliated for real because he didn’t do what his masters told him, the entire thing is still absurd and therefore a show trial and a fake fabrication. In service of that absurdity, then can then dig up any women Cosby was ever seen with out of the woodworks and throw her some money, giving credence to their sick little nightmarish rape-happy celebrity “men-are-pigs” PsyOp fairy tale.

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  • June 21, 2024 at 2:20 am
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    (As if a celebrity of Cosby’s status would have a hard time scoring with a hooker! lol Why drug her when you can just pay her bill? Paying a thousand dollars for Cosby would have been like you and me putting 25 cents in a gumball machine.)

    more flawed premises. perhaps it was a setup start to finish. but do you know Cosby personally to testify on his character? because he played some upstanding doctor on a tv show? that one can get laid without paying for it or has the wherewithal to pay for it … has nothing to do with whether someone is capable of degrading acts or drugging someone or taking advantage of them. how many other celebrities or wall street titans or (insert public / private figure with influence) have real skeletons in their closets. diddy once had the key to the city. was ‘looked up to’ by ‘his’ ‘community’

    ill never forget the night i had to literally stop a friend from taking off a bartenders clothes and proceed with xyz. yes she was into him and invited us back to her home. (more like invited him back but he was with me and i was driving). but she passed out wasted in the back of my car. we helped her inside. and he started undoing her garments. his logic? “she wanted to fuck anyways”. and he was /is someone who has plenty of options, largely looked upon as a ‘sweetheart’, and says grace before meals. i stopped a sa that night.

    (That whole Cosby story is beyond absurd, a joke on the public, a humiliation and bringing down of the morale of the entire U.S. black population through their formerly most upstanding celebrity role model.)

    were there no whispers around the comedy scene, even in the black ‘community’ about mr pudding pop putting pills in drinks – prior to his superstardom? where is reverend n’a daddy for more of an insider’s perspective?

    (But we have to remember: show trials are still actual events – therefore many people may actually get paid off with funny money provided by the organizers of the show trails. That doesn’t mean their story was true or “justice” or “injustice” was served in an actual real unbiased court trial.)

    no argument.

    (“Real people” as in so-called non-thespians who don’t have an imdb page getting paid in a show trial is no different than an amateur doing a part in a Hollywood movie and getting paid for it. Or a child who believes the movie set is real life. )

    no argument

    (They’re still acting whether or not they know they’re acting. Except the movie set is an ongoing reality show in “real life” pretending to be actual reality, pretending to be an actual trial. “Actual reality” itself is often nothing much more than a phony consensus reality or collective amateur acting session, so blurring the lines by filming a previously set-up documentary and pretending its real is no big feat when you have unlimited resources and complete control of media)

    no argument on the logic.

    (In addition, even if it is an actual trial, it would be an absurd trial, a ridiculous miscarriage of justice to take the word of women from 20 years before about who drugged or didn’t drug them, raped or didn’t rape them. Are you kidding? That’s an absurdity in itself. Taking only the word of some woman even in a recent case is just witness testimony or the most unreliable testimony in the world and proves nothing. It isn’t physical proof of anything)

    no argument

    (How in the hell can anybody prove that someone drugged them 20 years ago? lol So even if Cosby was raked over the coals for real and humiliated for real because he didn’t do what his masters told him, the entire thing is still absurd and therefore a show trial and a fake fabrication. In service of that absurdity, then can then dig up any women Cosby was ever seen with out of the woodworks and throw her some money, giving credence to their sick little nightmarish rape-happy celebrity “men-are-pigs” PsyOp fairy tale.)

    sure this may have happened.

    but is it beyond the pale to consider that some people get sordid pleasure out of abusing their power? are all imprisoned for grape and SA innocent?

    are your positions so molded in clay, solidified after being in desert sun for decades, that there is no malleability?

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    • June 23, 2024 at 1:18 am
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      “are your positions so molded in clay, solidified after being in desert sun for decades, that there is no malleability?”

      Room for malleability, yes, but only after the strict tests and solid proof. Floating in the limbo of “everything believable / nothing clearly knowable,” or open to suggestion and disinformation at all times to clutter up my mind, no. “War is a Hoax” because all sides work for the same people, yes. “Nobody died, nobody got hurt, nobody even stubbed their toe” in any so-called official war that was ever (not) fought, like DaveJ claims (and JLB used to claim or maybe still claims minus the stubbed toe, lol) simply because all sides work for the same people – maybe – but have seen no solid proof that all or even a large percentage of military deaths are simply accidents while performing hazardous jobs. NBDNGH in any armed conflict between any groups, including revolting slaves or countries against the plantation owners – absolutely not. You go against the system, you will get shut down, just like in civilian life. Therefore soldiers in all countries do the same thing as police in all countries, intimidate and keep the citizens in line obeying the dictates of their slavery & when these slaves organize and actually start shooting back then there is what can be called a real “war.” Any modern “slave revolts” can only be valid when the revolt is directly against the system of usury or the root of the problem. The rest are just struggles between groups of slaves to get more bones thrown at them from the master’s table.

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    • June 23, 2024 at 10:43 pm
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      dante wrote: “but do you know Cosby personally to testify on his character? because he played some upstanding doctor on a tv show? that one can get laid without paying for it or has the wherewithal to pay for it … has nothing to do with whether someone is capable of degrading acts or drugging someone or taking advantage of them.”

      True. Even when you know someone personally for years, sometimes you can’t predict what will happen. People have too many of these repressed demons or shadows as Armunn likes to discuss which they have not integrated and if they add up over the years one day the dam will burst and it will seek violent or predatory release (up to and including many levels of passive-aggressive predatory release in the case of someone with Cosby’s “good guy” self-image). One day they’re cool, the next they might turn into raging meth-heads who want to beat up their friends and family.

      But in general, all other flaws being equal, celebrities have a massive advantage compared to the average person when it comes to relations to the opposite sex or anybody else for that matter, thought that advantage might also make them over-confident in thinking they can get away with things the average person won’t. Their sly handlers higher-up might even let them get away with a few illegal activities to give them that air of invincibility as bait to trap them later.

      As for people “online,” there’s no way to even remotely judge their sanity or “coolness” in various circumstances until you’ve met with them face-to-face, in real life, over at least a few months. You saw what happened to Sv3rige/Goatis, this you tube guy that got me and thousands of others into the raw-carnivore diet and Aajonus Vonderplanitz and all that. I used to see you in his comment sections from time-to-time.

      Remember back in early 2019 when I almost met up with him and his then girlfriend Luna out there in Los Angeles after talking to them on Skype and offering a place to stay? I even wanted JLB to come to L.A. at the same time all the way from Australia so we could all meet up and hang-out. lol After that, I remember reporting in the comments at JLB’s site about what a jerk this guy was in his communications to me, which JLB had predicted, having had more experience than me with unstable “truther” or “youtube” personalities.

      Well, it turns out that Goatis wasn’t just an “edgy” guy with “jerk” tendencies but an actual homicidal psychotic who in 2021 or thereabouts hired a hit-man (his current girlfriend’s husband) to beat-up and pour acid on his ex-girlfriend and then try and kill his ex-girlfriend and son in an arson attack in the Netherlands. He is now a fugitive from justice living somewhere outside the EU. I’m sure you’ve seen all the videos about him from Jake “the Asshole” Gibson (who did meet up with him in Sacramento) when his parody channel suddenly turned into a “true crime” channel a few months ago. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT4Cm7stNjdwSO0jRxM2YmA

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      • June 24, 2024 at 4:22 am
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        (But in general, all other flaws being equal, celebrities have a massive advantage compared to the average person when it comes to relations to the opposite sex or anybody else for that matter, thought that advantage might also make them over-confident in thinking they can get away with things the average person won’t. Their sly handlers higher-up might even let them get away with a few illegal activities to give them that air of invincibility as bait to trap them later.)

        yes, fame can get models – who otherwise would cross the street to get away from them – to drop their panties for folks like the Notorious B.I.G …or fat Jonah Hill or Mick Jagger. and yet look how many seemingly cannot handle the fame… and become massive alcoholics, addicts and 6ULDV8s.

        their handlers may very well send fixers to fix these problems when they first sprout up, and have them on a leash forever thereafter until they disobey or no longer have value or some variance of that narrative. but that would favor the ‘not entirely fake’ position. ultimately, we don’t know. and all i was contributing is that i KNOW the mother of one of the alleged ‘victims’ fairly well – tarnished as her daughter Chloe’s reputation might be.

        please also know i’m not ‘that guy’ who claims to know everyone and everyone in these events. only a few 2nd degrees of separation on a few events – which shouldn’t be all that surprising. this world is very small population wise : ) I don’t want to encroach or jeopardize on my relationship with her, and don’t think it really matters all that much, but again i know the mother well enough to potentially get her on a call or at least grant me permission to share private correspondence. it’s a delicate situation given all the struggles she’s had for years. in closing, maybe she was capitalizing on an opportunity because he was a trick (can you blame her? i’d probably do the same if there was that kind of coin to be had) – but it’s also possible that ‘America’s Dad’ gave some of his concubines more than just chocolate cake.

        RE: Goatis – yes i have seen some of the content that indicates he may have attacked the mother of his child (and even his own son). Mostly Jake the Asshole’s parody channel, which I see you’ve linked here. there are a couple of others which are alarming including Luna’s own channel. I still watch some of his videos, although they’ve become predictable and repetitive. the fact that he only does reviews and never shares his location, or does any live events anymore suggests there might indeed be fire to the smoke that’s being blown toward him.

        i called him out directly several times last year about his claim that 40,000 people a year die due to playing basketball. an absurd figure which he said comes from the CDC. there is no CDC report anywhere that suggests this. yet after I checked him on this, he continued to say it – which is where I lost a bit of respect for him. he also is very dogmatic about diet and doesn’t appear to be all that happy, healthy or secure. and appeals to what humans ‘used to do in nature’, without any evidence to support this.

        hence why i didn’t mind watching the Telegram re-uploads by some dude who pirates his channel.

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        • June 24, 2024 at 8:49 am
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          “he may have attacked the mother of his child (and even his own son). ”

          There’s hardly any doubt about that anymore. Too much hard proof – nasty acid burns / beatings with an iron bar that caused spine damage / video evidence / phone recordings / texts. The guy’s a straight up psycho who paid a hit-man to kill his son and ex-gf – the really insane part is that the hit-man was his current gf’s (estranged, Muslim) husband. He is in prison right now awaiting trial. He gave up Sv3rige / Goatis. This is why he’s a fugitive who doesn’t do live-streams anymore to not give up his locations. So yeah, one big extremely psychotic soap opera. It’s hard to believe that anybody can be that much of a douchebag but the evidence is pretty much overwhelming at this point.

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